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    Absolute rubbish!! I was at the public meeting when members of the ramblers of the horse riding groups complained it was in a dangerous condition. They are the ones responsible for forcing the absolutely absurd level of repair work required on that route. There are many more routes in the peak park that are used exclusively by walkers ,cyclist and horse riders that are in just the same state and in some cases worse. They use those routes without complaint and are advertised as challenging and rewarding!!! Why are they not also being destroyed by the incessant desire to flatten routes in the so called interest of public safety? Why is it perfectly acceptable for mountain bikers, walkers and horse riders to have and publicise challenging routes without a care for for problems of erosion and wear and tear, but on multi user routes where all contribute equally to the problems only motor users bear the brunt of the prejudicial campaigns that are being fuelled by the bigoted articles like these. The hypocrisy of it all is unbelievable! A footpath/Bridleway is repaired yet the same on a muti user route is seen as "destruction of an ancient route and totally out of keeping with the natural environment". These prejudicial reports keep mentioning the amount of money it cost to the public purse , the negative comments are laughable when you look the amount being spent on Kinder. Should that route be closed to walkers due to the devastating effect they have had on the natural environment and the resulting cost from the public purse?
    The authorities and the antis are using these high profile routes like porns in a game of chess, they will happily sacrifice them in the short term to achieve there aims.

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    Your first post happens to be on a 4x4 topic? Hmmm...

    We've done this argument time and time again. Let's not go there again, eh?

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    like porns in a chess game


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    Porns! Lol typed on phone screen is my excuse.


    Captain paranoia, I'm just as sick of these articles! Just for clarity I love riding MTB's, walking and running but occasionally I ride a motorbike (sorry if that offends some people)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getagrip View Post
    The hypocrisy of it all is unbelievable! A footpath/Bridleway is repaired yet the same on a muti user route is seen as "destruction of an ancient route and totally out of keeping with the natural environment". These prejudicial reports keep mentioning the amount of money it cost to the public purse , the negative comments are laughable when you look the amount being spent on Kinder. Should that route be closed to walkers due to the devastating effect they have had on the natural environment and the resulting cost from the public purse? The authorities and the antis are using these high profile routes like porns in a game of chess, they will happily sacrifice them in the short term to achieve there aims.
    No, there are plenty of walkers and mountain bikers who are just as annoyed by the thoughtless resurfacing of footpaths and bridleways where it happens.

    Routes used regularly by 4x4s and trail bikes just seem to be more eroded than others, why would that be?

    Ultimately whatever the rationalisation behind the repairs at Stanage are, whatever the reasoning behind them, they're rubbish and colossal waste of money.

    See also this update from Derbyshire County Council:http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/outdoor...nds/10870.html

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    Routes used regularly by 4x4s and trail bikes just seem to be more eroded than others, why would that be?

    Are you implying that because you feel that vehicular users are contributing to erosion problems they should be banned? If thats the way the system was worked, none of us would be allowed to go anywhere.

    I agree about the waste of money and resources in the article but why must it always end up being another opportunity to discredit responsible vehicular users?


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    Are you implying that because you feel that vehicular users are contributing to erosion problems they should be banned?

    I suspect Jon is suggesting, as is the usual argument, that, in order to maintain access for the maximum number of users, that you ban those who cause a disproportionate amount of erosion. And that will be those vehicles powered by a large internal combustion engine.


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    this article is just one more in a long line of propaganda rubbish they must have spent day's righting and re righting it till they got as many bad references to 4x4 in one piece with out just typing 4x4 over and over again.
    the damage on stanage is down water erosion due to lack of maintained over the last 20 year's or more.
    its an old trick but very popular with local authorities dont spend any money on maintenance then tell ever one its going to cost a fortune to repair so we shutting or closing , in this case restricting.
    done believer me the just look at don Vally left no money spent no events put on a secret deal with arena sponsors not to put on music festivals on
    just two big name bands a year would have paid the over heads for the rest of the year
    the artical is just properganda rubish

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    An eloquent argument worthy of some consideration.

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    So it would also be acceptable to ban cyclist/horses from Bridleway and RB's. If a disproportionate amout of damage was done on a footpath would you agree that it should be closed for the better good of the environment rather than spending millions on repair and continual maintenance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geny rodgers View Post
    this article is just one more in a long line of propaganda rubbish they must have spent day's righting and re righting it till they got as many bad references to 4x4 in one piece with out just typing 4x4 over and over again. the damage on stanage is down water erosion due to lack of maintained over the last 20 year's or more. its an old trick but very popular with local authorities dont spend any money on maintenance then tell ever one its going to cost a fortune to repair so we shutting or closing , in this case restricting. done believer me the just look at don Vally left no money spent no events put on a secret deal with arena sponsors not to put on music festivals on just two big name bands a year would have paid the over heads for the rest of the year the artical is just properganda rubish
    What the hell does this have to do with decisions taken by SCC and SIV regarding the arena ?

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    Yawn. Simple question.

    The countryside is for all.

    If one group of users prevent use by all users then should that group be banned/have access restricted?

    Yes?

    Or

    No?

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    Yeah ban the cars there are plenty of roads for them to use.

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    At last, a path I can wear my slippers on

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    "If one group of users prevent use by all users then should that group be banned/have access restricted?"

    Yes agree! Walkers are always trying prevent access by others, ban them


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    Walkers are banned from Motorways. Should the law be changed?

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    I've always been a bit of a fence sitter on this one, but Geny has convinced me with his logical and incisive analysis. He's a great representative for the off-road motoring lobby.

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    I'm with Monty on that

    I also take up Kev's gauntlet by demanding the right to hike along the tranquil hard shoulders of Britain's picturesque motorway network (and to do so stark bollock naked in the case of Scottish motorways).

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    Thanks Kinder. I pleased you agree 4x4 should be banned. An honest and refreshing approach.

    The damage caused by 4x4 prevent access of non-4x4 vehicles. So you are to support a ban on them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geny rodgers View Post
    this article is just one more in a long line of propaganda rubbish they must have spent day's righting and re righting it till they got as many bad references to 4x4 in one piece with out just typing 4x4 over and over again. the damage on stanage is down water erosion due to lack of maintained over the last 20 year's or more. its an old trick but very popular with local authorities dont spend any money on maintenance then tell ever one its going to cost a fortune to repair so we shutting or closing , in this case restricting. done believer me the just look at don Vally left no money spent no events put on a secret deal with arena sponsors not to put on music festivals on just two big name bands a year would have paid the over heads for the rest of the year the artical is just properganda rubish
    righting and re righting

    porns



    Did you two go to the same school?

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