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    Mini Goon James Shepard's Avatar
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    Having just picked up an 850 fill hydrophobic Berghaus Ilam jacket for 120 on eBay I would find it nearly impossible to justify paying anywhere near 600 for this jacket, nicely made though it is. The law of diminishing returns beautifully illustrated...

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    Oh its pretty insane. For a full 8 pounds more you could have PHDs seriously mad Omega (-55) down jacket for instance. Which also has down which would very likely rate ~1000 on the USA scale.....

    One explanation I've seen on backpackinglight.com is that they're doing a (free) biannual fancy steam clean style service for it. Which sort of explains the price to a large extent but then begs the question of why on earth they've felt the need to do that.

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    Interesting that Patagonia do say that it's a plasma encapsulation method, as we hypothesised on a recent thread... (which I can't find at the moment).

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    Yup, it's plasma coating, and they've bought a whole company to do it for them! Plasma-ing is something I'd considered doing to down a couple of years ago but never got round to. I'm glad someone has done it and has made a product out of it. The price tag is pretty outrageous, but then this isn't a jacket for your weekend warrior.

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    but then this isn't a jacket for your weekend warrior.

    Isn't it? I recall a reported conversation on mountain bike racing I read a few years ago along the lines of "what category is this?"; "must be the 'fun' race, all the bikes are worth more than three grand..."

    Your bank-bonus weekend warrior whi happens to be a gear junkie is, I'd have thought, going to be accounting for a fair few of these.

    Pete.

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    ...and regarding fill power, 1000+ is indeed exceptionally high, but it's maybe not the highest out there. There's an Italian supplier that sells 1000+, and a couple of others do too. PHD's stuff would indeed probably register 1000+ with the USA cylinder.

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    I'm not sure, I suppose it might be. With waterproof jacket prices now hitting 500 it's not impossible, even if it is the cost of a two week trip to the Alps!

    I had assumed this jacket were a flagship model for their sponsored athletes and a way of demonstrating innovation, not a product that was designed to be sold to consumers. Then again, some people really will pay for the best, as shown by the climbers who use Grivel's Reparto Corse axes.

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    BTW, Mr Fuller, I liked your insulation articles on UKC; nice concise summary of heat loss mechanisms and physiology.

    Which plasma treatment company have Patagonia bought?

    Oh, and here's that earlier thread I was trying to find.

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    Aeon Clad is an Austin Texas based company. Patagonia now holds a 15% stake in them.

    For a top end belay jacket, the lack of a 2 way zip is very strange.

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    Thanks CP, they took a while to edit together and make into two parts but they seem to have had a fairly decent response.

    Yes, Patagonia bought a share in AeonClad. I first heard about it here http://www.thegearcaster.com/the_gea...lent-down.html and had somewhat exaggerated it in my brain that they'd bought someone out completely.

    Yeah, I hadn't noticed the zip thing, but it is strange, particularly considering that the Das Parka has a two-way zip. Unlike Arc'teryx's Atom SV, this is supposed to be a full-blooded over-the-top jacket, so it does seem a bit odd.

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    Hmm... the zip. Hadn't spotted that in my brief scan of the article.

    Even my Berghaus synthetic belays manage that. Then again, I spotted a MtnHaus Baffin Island jacket the other day (Berghaus' supposed 'super gear' brand), and it had a zip on the inside of the rolled collar. I didn't think I'd want that rubbing against my neck...

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