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Thread: Record levels of alcohol illness

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    Ultra King Ddyrchafedig Gyrrwr (Beic Modur)'s Avatar
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    Demon Drink


    This news is no surprise to those of us working in the NHS or the Police I would think!

    About time they highlighted it, they have done it with smoking, but this is just as much a menace to society.

    (and for the record - I am a non smoker and deplore it)


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    Burp - what?

    Anyone got a light?


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    What's to be done? were past the point where Blair and the rest make excuses by saying say the vast majority of people are senseible drinkers;they're clearly not.




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    They could start by charging the binge drinkers who sleep it off in A/E departments for the "service!"

    There is already a precedent for it, they already charge people for the first part of their treatment if they attend as a result of a Road Traffic Collision. Admittedly it is usually the insurance companies who cough up!

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    Alcohol's very cheap, so it's easy to abuse it. I don't pretend to know what the answer is, though. Maybe higher taxes and a reduction in the number of convenient outlets - e.g. petrol stations - would be a start?

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    I'd be in favor of rasing the legal drinking age to 50 :-)

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    I'm definately not in favour of paying more for my pint! Some places round here charge a fortune for a pint of bitter as it is. I agree though, that alcohol might be too easy to get - but the best choices of real ales in a bottle locally is at a petrol station cum spar-shop (all the wychwood beers and all in the fridge). I'd rather they stopped Tesco and their ilk selling warm beer! Oh sorry, forgot, they do put the crap beer in the fridge.

    What they should try and limit is the alki's favourites - those cheap white cider gut-rot that go for £3 per 2 litres (often with a litre free). The bottles you spot in popular drinking areas in the undergrowth.

    Or for once, the government might break the mould and tackle the cause of a problem as opposed to it's symptoms.

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    Prohibition perhaps......

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    When our lass started nursing the everyday early death victim died of smoking related disease whilst this still occours the drinking related death as taken centre stage, so watch out you heavy drinkers 50 to 60 is the bad age,the one that finds you out.

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    People smoke, drink, eat lardy food, it's gone on for years you can't stop it.
    You don't need to consume much alchohol to become a binge drinker I my self have hammered the beer in my twenties, smoked the tabs,and munched the lardy fodder, but it seems that it has become acceptable practice these days to get shit faced at weekends, we only have to go into our local towns on a weekend to see the effects binge drinking has on the population as a whole.
    Not the hoodie park cider swillers but respecable 9 to 5 white collar workers who need to get wrecked to escape their reality ? 24 hour party people.You can't stop it pub and club culture is now genetic.

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    I'm a non smoker and very occassionaly have a little tipple but in my line of work I am always dealing with persons who consume so much alcohol that at times they don't even know what they are doing.

    Due to the nature of smoking, all packets must have a government health warning stating that 'smoking kills'

    Lets not forget that for some people alcohol is a drug and you can become addicted and this addiction grows quickly. Its one of the drugs that is easiest to obtain (as discussed above) yet all is said that people should drink sensibly or don't drink and drive.

    Maybe its about time that a government health warning should be standard on bottles of beer, alchopops etc.

    I know in Swansea (where I work) that the town centre is an exclusion zone for drinking in a public place.

    A stronger stance needs to be taken against binge drinking as these young people will end up having health problems and the knock on effect will be treatment through NHS and the costs will rise and rise.

    Also people need to be more accountable for their actions.

    What a topical subject.

    Well done Tony for bringing it up.

    I could go on and on but lunch is calling. (No alcohol involved today as its carnival day in my village)

    Simon

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    Something HAS to be done though to attempt to make people face up to their responsibilities in society. So many people think that they know their "rights" within society, but with "rights" comes responsibility.

    It is an utter frustration in my job to have people complaining that it took 2 hours for an ambulance to arrive at a relative with an MI (heart attack) simply because the crews are tied up for hours on end with Drunks who couldn't care less how their behaviour is directly affecting others, that is of course until it is one of their loved ones who dies as a result of the problem!!

    Education is one key, but the lock for unlocking the problem may have to be draconian measures to FORCE people to be more responsible.

    That might have to include a clamp down on the outlets for alcohol being restricted, making it more expensive, imposing treatment Levy's on people admitted for drink and drugs misuse etc.

    Whatever happens, something MUST be done about it, as a society, we cannot afford the Ostrich syndrome any more!


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    I think that is the common misconception with this problem.

    People think it is once again "interference" from the "nanny" state.

    Frankly, I couldn't care less on a personal level if individuals want to smoke, drink or drug themselves to death, that is their choice.

    The problem is that I daily have to deal daily with those innocent people directly affected by the selfishness of them.


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    Yes Tony, I also have to deal on a daily basis with the innocent people who are directly affected by people who decide to drink, take drugs etc

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    Certain people in society will take drugs,smoke fags,drink too much,drink drive,bash the wife,and cause problems for all the rest of us.
    My mother had a mild stroke on monday and at the CDU/A&E precious time was given over to the two twats who had been brawling on a Southport street after heavy drinking.These two individuals should in my opinion have to wait and pay for medical sevices.
    They arrived by Ambulance and escorted by Two PC's.
    I agree that something needs to be done about the state of binge drinking in this country ........but what?

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    Well, I did make a few suggestions previously repeated thus:-

    "That might have to include a clamp down on the outlets for alcohol being restricted, making it more expensive, imposing treatment Levy's on people admitted for drink and drugs misuse etc."

    I am sure there are other things that could be introduced, we just need a Government with the political will!

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    I,ll bet that the casualty departments are busy tonight.

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    tony, wasn't there a change in that the police, instead of throwing people in the cells to sleep it off now take them to hospital.
    the point i'm trying to make that is it because it's gone up or just that it's now being recorded more?

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    I think it's a social thing within the UK. I'm 25 and I drink most days of the week. However, this usually consists of no more than 1 small glass of a nice wine or beer with my evening meal, as I don't enjoy binge drinking or getting drunk.

    This behaviour is seen as totally normal among my european friends but my British friends look horrified when I tell them that I drink most days of the week, as if I'm an alcoholic! The irony is that they're quite happy to drink twice as much as I do in a week in the course of just one night out at the weekend!

    I think that as a society we need to stop seeing alcohol as purely a way of getting out of our skulls, and treat it as a pleasant social relaxant to be consumed in small quantities. It is possible to stop at just 1 pint and still have a nice evening!

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    Yes you are correct Parky, in my days in the Police, we locked drunks up, kept an "eye" on them every 20 minutes, woke them in the morning, made them mop out their cell before being taken up and charged to appear before local magistrates, where they would pay for their irresponsibleness in the form of a fine.

    With the absolute fear of people dying in Police cells, and the fact that Police have become too expensive as jailers, they now call an Ambulance and have them removed to A/E departments, where they are extremely well looked after, and get away with absolutely no penalty what so ever!

    In my 20 years in the Ambulance Service, I KNOW from personal experience that drunkenness has become a great drain on Ambulance and Hospital resources.

    When I started all them years ago, Friday and Saturday night were the traditional "drinking nights" but even then, we might be unlucky and deal with maybe 2 drunks per shift. These days it is nothing unusual for crews to deal with drunk after drunk after drunk on a night shift, and it is on ANY night of the week too!


    The complications too are caused by A/E departments not having sufficient staff to "nurse" unconscious drunks, leaving Ambulance crews delayed in A/E for hours at a time.

    Drunks are notoriously labour intensive and demanding, having to be monitored constantly, because unfortunately, they are likely to die from choking on inhaled vomit if left unattended.

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