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Thread: Remembrance on Gable - is this in the spirit of the event?

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    For the past four years I've walked up Great Gable for the Act of Remembrance (Trip Report here) but unfortunately I've had to drop out this year.

    However, I came across this advertisement by Ambleside Adventure. They offer a: " ...chance to explore one of the most famous Lakeland fells with a difference. On Remembrance Sunday every year a service is held... The Great Gable Guided Walk is a challenging and rewarding day out..."

    They don't say how much they charge per head but I bet it's a bit more than a fiver in the Wasdale MRT collection bucket.

    At the same time I found a 2011 local newspaper article in which representatives of the Fell and Rock Climbing Club (FRCC) hit out at the ‚??commercialisation'of the event.

    I appreciate that many people (some of whom post on OM) make their living from guided walks. But is this a walk too far?

    Just askin' ... what do you think?

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    Difficult one but there is a part of me that feels its always a good thing to encourage people out on the hills. Some people don't have the confidence or skills to undertake a hill walk and if this is a good way to do it safely then surely it can't be wrong??

    It will probably encourage participants to learn more and go out on their own once they have the experience to do so.

    Remembrance Sunday is emotive and very dear to many people hearts and I personally would love to do Great Gable on this day. Fortunately only time and travel can stop me but can you imagine the overwhelming feelings that newbies to the hills will have during this amazing experience??


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    Excellent reply there marns. Perfection. I feel exactly the same way. Well said!
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    If the FRCC do not want commercial groups at their remembrance service then frankly I don't see it as appropriate to take people there for money.

    I don't care if they'll have an 'amazing experience' or any of that tosh. It's arrogant, disrespectful, commercialisation, pure and simple.

    Take them to the memorial at the aircraft remains on Great Carrs instead. In the middle of nowhere. Bits of wing and undercarriage on the ground. A list of those who died there.

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    I am between the two.

    On the one hand, paying someone to take you to a memorial service seems a bit off...on the other hand, if it encourages people who would not otherwise go (either because they dont have the capability or a network of suitably skilled mates who have the capability) and genuinely think about whats its all about, then is that a bad thing?

    I used to be a volunteer for a charity event - some local business made a fortune off our backs. Some of those threw money at us, some threw resource (free meeting room, pint and chip butty once a month for the organizing meetings) and others threw goodwill (advertising on websites and in local papers). We didnt care - as long as we got as many people as possible to the events.

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    Hmm..

    What about thehordes of tour companies that ship/coach people out to Flanders, Somme, Ypres, Normandy?(or many other places - take your pick) Is it disrespectful to do this?

    Should these be regulated or non-profit companies only?

    Or should the individual be able to choose a package (ie price/comfort/luxury) level they want?



    Personally.. I think its a good thing that people have the choice to decide which company to use.


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    At the end of the day, as at the going down of the sun, is it not more important that we confine our thoughts to the fallen, of all wars and all sides too, both civilian and those especially who have served their nation and paid the final price in conflict or peacetime. Nothing else matters I feel on that day but for this.
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    Trevor, well said yourself.

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    The FRCC bought Great Gable and gave it to the National Trust to look after. So IMHO, YMMV, I think they still have the right to ask that commercial groups aren't taken to their service. Ergo, it is not in the spirit of the event.




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    It does seem a bit against the spirit of the day in my view. The question may come down to the motivation of those organising events - are they piggybacking off an event or are they enabling people to get there and back safely etc.

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    YMMV?

    and, no, I disagree that the FRCC have the right to ask - they gave the mountain without condition - like any gift. Once done, they gave up all rights.

    They can offer an opinion that, in their view, its inappropriate (as some here are now). My opinion is...there are two sides and I empathize with both sides but on balance think its a good thing as it brings people to the event who probably otherwise wouldnt have gone

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    I'm sure that there have not been any groups from veterans associations nor the British Legion complaining about this. And for all we know the organisers of such an event most likely donate a portion of their remunerations to the British Legion themselves anyway. Anyone heard of any groups complaining? As surely we would have heard more than this by now if it were generally deemed to be problematic in spirit?
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    I took my two daughters up for this years service and was interesting to note the number of people struggling in the conditions (it was very wild and wet) and retreating before the eleventh hour and well before the summit. We also came down early and took our minute at the stretcher box as one of us was just too cold to be safe. I'm glad the FRCC have made their point about the origins of the service - it is certainly not an event.

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    Interested to hear your first-hand report about the conditions, Fort.

    I had to give it a miss this time but I had been keeping an eye on the forecasts before the event and they certainly painted a grim picture.

    As a footnote, one walker got lost coming off the hill and needed assistance from Keswick MRT.


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    I helped a couple of individuals that were 'misplaced' and kept an eye on another who had no hat/hood, gloves, overtrousers, spare clothes, food or drink. I did offer help, it was appreciated but was turned down, back in Seathwaite I was thanked for my concern. Not the worst conditions for the service, but it was wild!

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