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    Having had a lovely messy time seam-sealing my Scarp, I'm now attaching two extra guys to the central pole, which seems to be the one mod that everyone recommends.

    So, how do you attach your guy lines?

    Re-threaded overhand knot?
    Re-threaded figure of eight?

    What's your favourite / recommended knot and why?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Metric Kate View Post

    I'm now attaching two extra guys to the central pole, which seems to be the one mod that everyone recommends.

    how do you attach your guys ?

    Ed and MfD perhaps .

    I'll get my coat .

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    I don't make it so complicated Kate.

    I just give all my extra guys permanent overhand loops at one end

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    and then larkshead/girth hitch that loop to the tape/bungy loop on the tent/tarp - guys are then easily removable without worrying about knots.

    For the adjustable end, I either use Clamcleats Lineloks or Adjustable Grip Hitch (which I find stays together when unloaded unlike a Tautline hitch)

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    Bowline to the tent & a tarbuck knot to adjust.

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    That's nice and simple, Mole, if not as aesthetically pleasing as a re-threaded knot!

    But then with my seam sealing, I probably should be too worried about aesthetics...

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    If you're going directly on to the pole then a clove hitch usually does it nicely. If it's to a loop then a larksfoot

    Pete.

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    I use the same method as mole. Nice and simple.

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    Hi

    I'm an average knot tyer at best but can get by, usually.

    I don't like the way a larksfoot "scrunches" up a webbing loop and can be hard to remove so I prefer a bowline or rethreaded (overhand or figure of eight) knot. I have also attached guylines using a knot fishermen call loop to loop (which on the face of it looks like a larksfoot but differs in the detail), when they need to be attached and unattached regularly.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLjHcHGONRg

    Not a guyline but you get the idea.

    At the adjustable end I usually take the guy around the peg, take the end back up through the loop attaching the guy to the webbing pull tight and tie a truckers hitch type knot.

    Alright I know I'm odd but that's just me.




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    How can a Larksfoot be difficult to remove?

    You only need to release the tension and unthread it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikel von Dundeeski View Post



    How can a Larksfoot be difficult to remove?

    You only need to release the tension and unthread it.
    Easy try undoing on a constricted larkshead in gloves (it's cheating to use your teeth), then compare it to the loop to loop attachment shown above.

    With the loop to loop you just push the two loops towards each other and it opens up.

    Again not a guyline, but this illustrates loop to loop quite well (I have no sound so no idea if the audio makes sense).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPjzgLC-FRI

    Kite fliers sometimes use a modified larksfoot, where a loop of dental floss (or a double loop) is tied to the "point" of the loop so it can be used to help undo the knot.

    I've never used this on a guyline so can't comment on it's effectiveness in that situation though.

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    In 40 years of camping, i've never had to use my teeth to release a Larksfoot. Summer and winter, gloved or not.

    Feck nose what you have been doing.

    I can only assume you have been using rope, or something similar that absorbs water and swells up?

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    Sorry forgot to add link to adding an additional loop to make undoing a larksfoot easier.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JjXraxUfMU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikel von Dundeeski View Post

    In 40 years of camping, i've never had to use my teeth to release a Larksfoot. Summer and winter, gloved or not.

    Feck nose what you have been doing.

    I can only assume you have been using rope, or something similar that absorbs water and swells up?




    Not fecking about with larksfoots because I use loop to loop.

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    I wonder why climbers use a double larksfoot(prussik) seeing as they always jam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikel von Dundeeski View Post

    I wonder why climbers use a double larksfoot(prussik) seeing as they always jam?
    Now that's a horse of a different colour. Not the same knot used for a different purpose.

    Never mentioned jamming, all my prussiks slide luvverly, except when they shouldn't.

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    I'm away back to my magic mushrooms.

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    My solution.

    Make a Fig. 8 on bight at one end, I then attach to guy point with a 'mini krab'. other end is mini camleat, to tension.

    That way if I don't have to use 'extra guys', I don't have them hanging off tent a flapping about.

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    Huskyman

    That's by far the best solution, all this talk of knots is putting me off strictly.

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    I have them already made up, tied up, stored in small bag with the mini krabs.

    So I can use as necessary and don't have to make up if things do go 'pear shaped'.

    Their is10 in the wee bag, (tent repair bag, from an Exped mat). I'll admit that is more than needed, but it's handy to have spares. Or I can use to keep other things from blowing away.

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    Alpkit Mini clipper.

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