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    Dave, Hamish, I use a PC (two in fact) at work and Macs at home. There really is no comparison. Macs are miles better but PC users rarely get the chance to find out. The only downside with Macs used to be the lack of software. That doesn't apply now opf course with the intel-based Macs

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    Harry, I am not saying one format is better than the other - I am trying to address the original question from PW, who is a PC user.
    Macs are better at certain things, PCS are better at others. Used properly each is more than capable of fulfilling PWs requirements. However, you should bear in mind that as this is a request from a PC user, familiar with the Windows interface, with data and applications in Windows format........for that reason alone it makes more sense to look at a new Windows based PC. A Mac would require additional expense and require learning a slightly different method of operation - and PW would probably not get the benefits in those areas in which Macs are a better choice.

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    Fair point Dave

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    oh this is too civilised,
    neither are any good, PW should be using Linux. It's free and has so much free software with it you won't need to buy any software again.

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    Hmm might get round to creating a linux partition on one of my hard drives as everyone seems to rave about it....

    I have 2 pc's at work and 3 email accounts depending on what's being sent to me it gets very confusing having 3 different sets of login's and one time passwords to remember!

    PW I have heard good reports about Novatechs PC's (I've used them for components a lot and find them good)

    Novatech

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    there is free software for windows too, and not all of it is rubbish.

    as an alternative to microsoft office, i use openoffice which is free.
    www.openoffice.org

    some people even do file sharing or buy so called backup disks and get software for a fraction of the origional cost or even nothing, but that tends to breach software licenses etc and is theft. so don't do it.i heard some estimation somewhere of how much pirate software was in use in the UK, it seemed very high.

    componant souce links
    this link for Novatech does work

    also try ebuyer.com

    and dabs.com

    and for RAM crucial.com/uk

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    PW,

    For your music alone a Mac would be a better choice. Nearly all add-ons install as proper plug and play - none of this horrible stuff about installing the right drivers, etc.

    Mac OSX now is a really superb operating system and programs such as Logic Express are worth their weight in gold.

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    Hmmm.... a dilemma!

    Do you use your GPS with your Mac, Andy? Just wondering about Anquet.

    Also, very many thanks to all the rest of you who've posted info. I'm gradually checking it all



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    I personally think that the PC vs Mac debate doesn?t really help PW at all only confuses matters; there are lots of things to consider when buying or building your own!
    The difference is if you build your own and you have problems you have to resolve it your self.
    Most of the faults that do occur that make for an unstable system are very similar in nature and narrowing that fault down could be an expensive exercise, weather this be low power output or unstable transformer, motherboard problems, graphics card and so on.

    If you buy from a manufacture whether this be a MAC or PC you get the support you need plus there?s less likely to be a problem as when they build them they will built with good quality parts (Be warned, not all manufacturers do this) and they can swap and change parts till there hearts content until the PC/ Mac is working as it should!

    I have built loads of machines and have seen many problems along the way but have actually enjoyed finding the faults and have learnt a great deal this way!

    With that knowledge I have built a very fast, very reliable PC which does it all!!

    So PW if you have the confidence and a good knowledge of all faults possible to build your own I would definitely go that way, you can build the PC to your own personal requirements and costs are kept down. (Use good quality parts, anybody can build a cheap system)

    If not, then I would buy from a good manufacture weather this is a PC or Mac, most good system builders will ask what you want the PC/MAC to do and build a system based on that.
    MESH and Dell are both good system builders the down side to this is you will have to part with a lot of cash for a good system.

    PW May the best PC or MAC win

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    Just to second Jungle Daves point, I've used Novatech several times and they are a good supplier. They have reasonable prices and decent service, they often have some good offers as well in their clearance section.

    I own a PC that was originally built by Novatech and it has been fine. Bit like a Mac really, it worked straight out of the box! Due to upgrades I think all that is left of it is the case and power supply now.

    If you really want it they do a PC that's all built into the back of a flatscreen monitor to avoid the grey box someone mentioned earlier.


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    Oh my what have you started!

    I bought myself a Mac Mini last year mainly just to see what they where like. Hardly ever use my Pc anymore which a built myself btw.

    The Mac comes with iLife software which includes a program called "GarageBand" which lets record your own music. You can also use it to record your Podcast now to
    Might want to have a looky :-

    http://www.apple.com/uk/ilife/garageband/

    Oh if your going the PC route and building one yourself, be a good idea to read reviews of motherboards on the internet and maybe ask question on PC forums, It's far better that way than any "how to build a PC book!" IYAM :-)



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    Disclaimer: I work in software and we develop for (high-end) PCs running Windows. I own a desktop and a laptop, both running Windows XP. I'm not a big fan of Windows (at least technically) but, let's be honest, it works for the vast majority of people and there's loads of software for it. I don't own a Mac and have never used one (in recent memory).

    Buying a new PC: If you're after a new PC, then you could do worse than stick with someone like Evesham. They use high quality components and their PCs are well put together. My last two desktops have both been Eveshams and, so far, I've never had a problem with them. If you are in the market, buy a magazine like PC Pro to see the latest reviews etc. As a rule, *never* buy a computer in PC World/Currys/Dixons etc. because, most of the time, the cheap deals exist simply because the build quality of the PC, and its components, is cheap - low value for money.

    Home build PCSs: Fine - if you like that sort of thing. However, be a bit wary of this option! Most people I know who have built a PC say how easy it was to do etc. but then spend the rest of their lives tinkering with them. As I said, there's nothing wrong with that but most people simply want a computer that they can switch on and just use.

    Mac: There's an interesting article in the current issue of PC Pro, where John Honeyball, in his regular "Advanced Windows" column, compares and contrasts Windows Vista (groan) and OS X 10.5 (Leopard). His conclusion was that in the commercial/enterprise market, OS X has problems because it doesn't scale well whereas Windows does - that's Microsoft's main focus because it's where the real money lies (he even went as far as to suggest that Microsoft might, in the future, back away from the home-computing market because it's simply too expensive). Conversely, OS X seems to be better geared toward the home-computing market because it focuses mainly on solving single user, ie. on a single computer, problems (very well). He concludes that section of the article by telling an anecdote: "In the taxi coming back from Heathrow [returning from Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference in San Francisco], the driver asked me what sort of computer he should buy for his home. My answer was Apple". I would add that a lot of software available on PCs simply doesn't exist on the Mac (yes, I know there are emulators/virtualisation etc.), so go into any possible purchasing decision with your eyes wide open. Also be aware of potential issues with some of the less enlightened broadband suppliers.

    PS. If my parents were in the market for a computer, I would seriously consider suggesting that they buy an Apple (although I'd do some research first).

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    PW you decided yet?

    Hamish thanks for correcting my Novatech link I forgot OM doesn't use html any more!! hence the target=blank.


    My brother and I brought and built a PC for my Dad from Novatech and its been excellent he's had no probs at all, I would second the comments about PC world etc, also they are more likely to "persuade" you to buy lots of things you don't need.

    Give someone like Novatech, Dabs or Evesham a ring, and explain what you want if you're not sure

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