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    ‹bermensch Andy Howell's Avatar
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    I've just been reflecting on the lack of lightweight gear in the specialist shops and have noticed that there (so far) seems little presence of manufacturers at the Outdoor Show - too expensive I guess.

    I've had an idea for the next show (probably barking) which could be a challenge for TGO and our other mates.

    Too much to post here but the ramblings are at:

    http://www.ecotrend.org.uk/trek

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    Interesting idea, Andy: I'd like to see it too.

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    I agree it is an interesting idea. Come Monday Cameron and John might see it and comment.

    There certainly needs to be somewhere lightweight gear can be seen. In the USA there are several events where this is so - gatherings along long distance trails and hiking organisation annual meets. We don't have anything like these.

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    Chris and Cameron's lightweight packs wouldn't take up too much space on the TGO stand. You could invite Joe Public to try out the weight and feel the comfort!

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    If you want to see items from the golite etc ranges, keep asking in the outdoor shops and eventually the buyers will catch on to the fact there is a demand out there for these products and might start stocking them.

    I was talking to one of the retailers linked on your site and the cost for a poxy stand at the NEC would be in the region of £2,000, you need to make alot of sales to cover that make it worth while. Not only that but everyone's after a 'deal' at these events driving down your profit margins before you start.

    if you want to find your nearist golite stockest contact Ardblair Sport Importers

    http://www.ardblairsports.com/index.htm

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    damn how do you get these things to work!

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    I don't think the situation is that bad - bear in mind that even in the US, despite the wider range of gear available, nearly all of it can only be seen at speciality events (traildays/the ADZPCTKO) and almost none is available in stores.

    In the UK, various specialist shops (Peglers, Hike-lite, and one in Kendal who's name I've forgotten) carry a decent range. Snow & Rock tried for a while, but discontinued I guess due to limited demand. Peglers in particular were very helpful ordering in a different size of golite Jam for my wife to try on, with the understanding she wouldn't have to buy it if it didn't fit.

    The danger if gear is showcased for free is that people go along, play with it, select what they want, then order it off the net or from the USA, and make it even less commercial for the specialist retailers.

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    Great idea, I took on the lightweight gear I have now and especially the packs simply by taking a chance, its a real shame we can't go into a shop and try them out!

    I'm benefiting so much now from my lightweight packs and gear that I think its a shame its so hard to convince others as they can't try it out for themselves.

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    Oh guys, I would soOOOoo love to be there.

    £2K for 4m x 2m, plus electrics, display, stock, staff and office staff puts it slightly out of my league sadly.

    However, I do feel a couple of small village hall/farmers field events may be the answer. A handful of people like us, keep it low key and affordable. Plently of space for tents and tarps, free tea, coffee and parking.

    It is just a shame we can't find a field close to the NEC on the same date eh?

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    Bob has hit the nail on the head - I thought he might.

    A lightweight village could prove to be a real attraction. But it would take somebody impartial, such as TGO, to pull it off. I'm sure that they could get a sponsor for something like that.

    Otherwise, where am I going to actually see a Go-Lite Hex?

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    The TGO lightweight village sounds like a brilliant idea!

    To be honest wild horses wouldn't get me to the NEC or similar venue (too many people and a nasty over-commercial environment!) but the chance to see some interesting stuff from genuine folk like Bob in a far more pleasant environment (village hall and field sounds great) would be *very* tempting indeed!

    Somewhere vaguely South of the Watford Gap, so you could have a long day out and get there and back Ok from most areas would be cool.

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    Somewhere vaguely South of the Watford Gap, so you could have a long day out and get there and back Ok from most areas would be cool.

    Obviously when you said 'south' you actually meant 'north' :-)

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    Okay people, this is getting interesting. I have spoken with Cameron about this a couple of times and I have a couple of sites locally lined up as it happens but I am unsure of the interest level to cover the initial outlay.

    Keeping it affordable (for me and those like me) is important, so if we said a 1 day event, in March/April and another Aug/Sept just south of Birmingham. I have a commercial facility which is 30 seconds off the M5, with parking and all facilities for wet and dry conditions.

    The idea would be to get all of us smaller suppliers to display our wares and perhaps have a few presentations and talks from those famous people.

    So would you (a) support it (small entrance fee I guess), (b) help promote it (own contacts, web/social) and (c) hazard a guess on how many others would give it a go?

    Alternatively we are talking small village hall type affair which could be dissapointing for those who travel quite a distance only to see a few companies?


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    Best of Luck Bob, I suppose a small entrance fee might not do any harm (by small how small do you mean? as I work in an office where anything under £999.98 is a small payment!)


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    If you are going to have two annual events couldn't one be further north?
    Keeps everyone happy

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    Bob,

    I don't think you should worry about making things small in the first instance. People like social contact, and they also like the idea of being pionners, getting involved in something at the very beginning.

    Around Birmingham is pretty good because it is central. An ideal might be a church hall with some grass outside it!

    I think it would be better to something that is dedicated to this idea, rather than trying to find a field near the Outdoor Show. People will say that they'll travel to see you as well as going to the show, but they won't - too many other distractions.

    Could this work?

    A church hall (or equivalent) with space for inside exhibits and maybe a presentation of two? Cameron and Chris always have a presentation or two in their back pockets and then there are people like Kev Reynold's who seems to be able to talk on almost anywhere! (Finding a date when he's in the country could be an issue).

    Somewhere with B & B's nearby could be good, allowing people the possibilitiy of an evening meet - which only needs to be in a decent curry/balti house.

    I think the trick is that this would need to be something more than just an OM 'meet'.

    Cheap and cheerful is fine so long as people think they are pioneering something new and different.

    I'll certainly be there.

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    Oh,

    And there should be a fee. It wouldn't cost much and it would help establish that it was something a litle more structured and serious.

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    It certainly sounds interesting and I'd want to support it as long as the dates worked out (that's always going to be an issue - I'd guess that for everyone who surfaces here saying "Great, I'd come" you might be lucky to get say 50% of them on the day).
    I wouldn't object to a small entrance fee - but what counts as small? Maybe it could be softened by linking it to a prize draw (bits of kit, TGO/Digital subs etc as prizes).
    Venue-wise I think what's commercially viable has to be the overriding factor ahead of things like looking for separate north and south venues or any such. But more people might be tempted to travel if there was something else nearby - any potential for shortish walks for example so that they could combine a couple of hours browsing with a bit of exercise too (maybe too much to ask - 30 seconds off the M5 doesn't sound promising...).

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    Entrance fee - always one to make you think if it would be worth the trip - say between £5 and £10 MAX.

    All ticket holders entered in prize draw - good idea - but they have to be there to collect it. There would be lots of other similar links too.

    One south, one north great idea. I have just the place 20 mins off the M5 with lumpy bits on it called Malvern. Lots of accomodation.

    Staffing it is always a drain. Could this be shared by a supporting collective of those on here? Few hours helping in return for ??

    I'll make some calls and get some idea of prices.

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    Bob, I'd go for the cheapest possible cost to you first time round. Entrance cost for us punters: £5 is fine, nearer £10 less fine.

    You may well find that folk on here, me included, would be happy to give an hour or two to help and still cough up £5 entry.

    A more informal "community" style event would definitely go down better with me.

    As for the stuff: certainly bring as much as poss that can't be got from normal stores. If there's a good amount of smaller items then nearly everyone would buy stuff.

    On buying stuff: check to see if you are able to have card processing facilities on the day; if not then I guess you'd need to send stuff on afterwards? Maybe give a discount for cash (I don't mean not putting it through the books, but you will save the card processing fee).

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