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    Harry, maybe you should buy it every month and offer us your opinion. I'm sure they won't mind.

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    Jamie, that's an excellent suggestion; I hope TGO consider it.

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    I read TAC, but usually on the Scotsman website.

    That probably makes me the 0.6, I suppose.

    By the way, lol, Richie

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    That's the trouble with letters, capitals and lower case, they are so boring to look at aren't they? They just sit there and don't do anything do they?
    Let's see, how can we brighten them up, make them more exciting, give them purpose?
    I've got it! Why don't we make each letter and certain combinations of letters represent sounds? Then if we combine them in certain sequences we can make those combinations represent actual words and we will be able to communicate knowledge and ideas between us all. Let's call it reading.
    But then that's so utilitarian isn't it?
    I know! We could print them in lots of pretty colours, decorate them with all sorts of pretty patterns and flourishes and vary their sizes and shapes.
    But wait, wouldn't that make them very difficult to read? But then reading is so utilitarian and boring isn't it?
    Shock! Horror! It's a fact that some of us actually take pleasure in that utilitarianism and really do like to have lots of words to read.
    Words are not simply to be looked at, they are to be READ.
    If you want eye candy buy Hello magazine, one of the ever proliferating lads' magazines or some such rag catering for a gnat's brain attention span.

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    In comparing tgo & trail are we doing the old 'apples and pears' thing? To my mind, while aimed at the same general audience, they are not setting out to achieve the same aim. It seems to me that Trail is more designed as an encyclopedia (or given its variable accuracy, a wiki?!) for dipping into to grab certain bits of info while tgo is more like an essay, or even a thesis, where the information is imparted in a more long-handed but richer narrative.

    For example, Trail is great for its routes as pure destiantions and directions, whereas the routes in tgo are more often delivered as part of narrative describing a hill-day or trekking experience. I find tgo routes a far more enjoyable read, but if I'm looking for somewhere to head off to in a hurry I'll turn to trail as the routes are far more accessible.

    As someone else said, the main reason I subscribe to trail and not tgo is that the free gifts are worth having ... if my storm shelter ever does arrive, that is!

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    CCD - still waiting for mine too! But I think they did say it would be after Christmas...

    And for anyone who's interested this months offer is a Petzl Tikka XP Headtorch for £49 if you subscribe for a year. So not quite a freebie as the subscription would normally cost £40.80 but still a £40 headtorch for less than a tenner. And remember if you are an existing customer you can still get it by extending your subscription by a year.

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    Harry, not looking for a job as editor of TGO are you...?

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    Harry, not looking for a job as editor of TGO are you...?

    Ha ha!

    No Steve. I've just got a new job actually. Start tomorrow.

    Don't think TGO could afford me . . . on the other hand the hours must be good and the perks are obviously brilliant

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    TGO sells an average 10,943 copies a month.
    Trail sells 40,307.
    Someone seems to be hitting more of the right buttons, and it ain't TGO.

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    I think it's a bit more complex than that, Terry.

    Macdonalds sell a lot of cheap hamburgers: Gordon Ramsey's sales figures aren't even comparable. It would be pretty daft to infer from that that Gordon Ramsay is doing something wrong, though, or that Macdonalds are producing a superior product.

    In the same way, I suspect that Rolls Royce sell significantly fewer cars than Ford, but I don't infer from that that Ford are selling better cars.

    TGO and Trail are not attractive to the same market. Naturally there's some degree of overlap, but there'll be people who love TGO and consider Trail to be lightweight and unreliable, whilst there are others who think TGO looks dull and boring but enjoy the sort of things that Trail produces. That's not a problem unless either one of them ceases to be economically viable. Tastes differ.

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    I subscribe to both magazines, however I feel Trail tends to be a bit bitty and lads mag, whereas tgo is more readable and deeper.

    I like tgo routes as a guide to an area to explore, rather than a route to be slavishly followed.

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    Peewiglet, Sorry but you are wrong to "think it's more complex than that". It isn't.

    And 10,943 sale is pretty grim for a consumer sector magazine. It certainly explains a lack of "quality" advertising.

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    I'd describe trail as the ideal mag for people who like the idea of the outdoors. TGO caters for those who get out there a little more.
    Trail is also probalby getting much better support from its publishers. I've worked for Newsquest/Gannet and they don't exactly support their publications that well.
    Like people have said great free gifts get people to subscribe.

    Oh, and what's the biggest selling newspaper in Britain, and which do you consider the best?

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    Biggest seller I would imagine is then sun!

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    Wow, someone hit a nerve. Looking on the bright side though I am now going out to buy a copy to see what all the fuss is about.
    To be honest I used to subscribe to Trail but gave up when they started to repeat themselves and got a bit up their own .... It put me off magazines but I will now give tgo a look.

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    From the individual consumer's point of view, the best publication is the one he or she prefers. From a publishing point of view, the best magazine is the one that sells the most copies. Every professional (ie.commercially driven)publishing operation wants more readers. The standard model goes: More readers = more advertising. More advertising = greater profit. Greater profit = more cash to invest in the product. Greater investment in the product = more readers. And so on.
    God knows I have no axe to grind on behalf of emap, but they have done a cracking job with Trail and they thoroughly deserved the PPA Specialist Magazine of the Year award in 2005. They understood their market, delivered what the readers wanted (all 40+ thousand of them), and reaped the benefit.

    At the end of the day anyone is entitled to say 'Trail magazine is not for me' but only a fool would claim that Trail is a crap magazine.

    Personally, I would love to see the content of TGO presented with the panache, originality and freshness of design of Trail. Now that would be a magazine worth buying!

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    Sorry for having been wrong, Harry.

    If you get a minute or two, please drop me an email just pointing out which of my other points of view are wrong, and I'll try to find a moment to adjust them.

    (And while you're here, have you got a minute to tell me what I should decide to have for breakfast in the morning, and maybe even where I should decide to go for my summer holiday? Hey, thanks! :-)

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    Here we go again.

    1. No problem being wrong. Apology accepted.

    2. This will take a long time but I'll try to get around to it and let you know.

    3. Porridge (preferably Jordan's conservation grade). Zakynthos.

    Hope this helps with your nastiness overload.

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    Terry, what a fantastic posting. Agree 100 per cent with every word. Trail is a complete package and is improving all the time . . . which spells more bad news for TGO unless it gets its act together

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    Guys do you possibly think that what started out as an observation is now getting a bit personal. After all we are all after the same thing and may meet up sometime.

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